All three women have succumbed to the wiles of our enemy, the devil—leading masses away from sound doctrine and luring them to follow and practice panentheism, western mystiscm (e.g., lectio divina), extra-biblical revelations and viewing our holy relationship with God Almighty in a sexual manner.

Though I will speak clearly and firmly as I ought about all three women and the dangerous effects of their writing, speaking and teaching of God's holy Word, I will refrain from making any unnecessary personal attacks for as far as I know, all three women are my sisters in Christ.

The purpose of this article is not to demonize any of these sisters, but to carefully and lovingly warn and exhort them and other women to be more diligent in studying the Word, seeking wisdom and biblical teaching from their husbands (if they're Christians), submit to their husbands' headships whether or not they are Christians (1 Cor 7:13-16, 2 Peter 3:1-2) and imitate the faith of those who are singularly faithful to God and His Word—with no deviation or imaginations (Heb 13:7, 2 Tim 1:13-14, 2 Cor 10:4-6).

Ann Voskamp

Ann and I have very different writing styles: I shoot straight and she takes the scenic route. Nothing wrong with either. When Ann writes, she paints verbal pictures as she amasses a collage of words and symbolism. Again, nothing wrong with her writing style...many women love that kind of writing...I just don't happen to be one of them and here's why.

Throughout Ann's vastly popular book "One Thousand Gifts" she crafts a web of words that woo a person's deepest emotions of tragedy and trials—which causes a reader's heart to lock with hers. Once she's captured the reader's heart through her imagery of words and masterfully entangled mess of emotions, she transports you to a place of mystical sighs. And here, anyone, I mean anyone (men and women of all ages) can very easily lose sight of what is true in accordance with God's perfect Word and what is true to our imperfect and often, emotionally and sensory driven hearts and minds.

"And I, when I came to you, brothers [and sisters], did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God."
~1 Corinthians 2:1-5

In both her interviews and writings, Ann insists that a person's greatest saving grace is having a heart of gratitude, rather than repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. She employs and perpetually repeats the Greek word for thanksgiving: "eucharisteo". This is her mantra. And this (not Christ) is what she emphasizes is the key to unlocking God's gracious gift of finding joy right where you are.

Ann proclaims "thanksgiving always precedes the miracle". While this a moving and inspirational thought, it's simply not biblically accurate. Sometimes miracles were distributed by God's wisdom and grace after someone gave Him thanks, but it didn't always happen that way.

For example, when Gideon was called by God to go into battle, the miracle of the fire springing up from the rock and the miracle of the fleece happened not after or because Gideon thanked God, rather it happened because Gideon rightly feared the LORD and by faith, obeyed His commands.

In addition, there's an entire chapter in Hebrews (11) that gives account of all the miracles that were performed by God, not because people gave Him thanks, but because people feared, loved and had faith in God Almighty alone.

"Who shall ascend the hill of the LORD? And who shall stand in His holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false and does not swear deceitfully. He will receive blessing from the LORD and righteousness from God of his salvation...

"Good and upright is the LORD; therefore He instructs sinners in the way. He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble His way...Who is the man who fears the LORD? Him will He instruct in the way that he should chose...The friendship of the LORD is for those who fear Him, and He makes known to them His covenant."
~Psalm 24:3-5; Psalm 25:8-9, 12, 14

I don't take issue with Ann's exhortation for all of us to live lives of thanksgiving to God. How can I? It's biblical (1 Thess 5:18). What's not biblical, is Ann's insistence that giving thanks is God's secret; the hidden treasure to all His miracles and the gift of a joy-filled life.

As with all things, we offer God our thanksgiving, not so we He will perform miracles or give us something that makes us feel bettter about ourselves, but we give to God because He is due all praise, all glory and all worship.

Before I conclude my thoughts about Ann Voskamp, I would like to clear up a misunderstanding between her and Tim Challies. Last year in May 2012, Tim Challies, a popular author, blogger and speaker within the Christian Reformed circles, reviewed and warned many about the unbiblical and therefore dangerous aspects of Ann Voskamp's "One Thousand Gifts". Upon receiving an email inviting Challies and his family to dinner at the Voskamp farm, Tim felt remorse over the tone, but not the message, biblical critique or warning of his review.

Unfortunately, our brother Tim received a lot of heat from many men and women within the Reformed circles for his apology. Rather than read the apology and clearly discern that he did not retract any biblical stance he took against Ann's book, many felt he sold out to her popularity. I disagree. I think his review and apology were spot on, but don't just take my word for it. You can read both the review and apology for yourself by clicking the links below.

Tim Challies Review of One Thousand Gifts
Tim Challies Apologizes to Ann Voskamp


Beth Moore

Over a decade ago, I took my first Beth Moore study, it was on the tabernacle. I enjoyed it and thought she was a pretty stellar teacher of the Word. I began "following" her work and even attended one of her conferences. But once I began studying the Word of God for myself, and as I listened to her teachings and read more of her work, I began to see some discrepancies between what she says God says and what God actually says in His Word.

As time passed, I began to notice that as her popularity rose, so did her arrogance. She now presumptuously claims that God gives her extra-biblical revelations. Strangely enough, as I searched to share video clips I once saw just a few months back, I noticed that all the videos displaying the heresy straight from the horses mouth were all deleted and none but this audio clip can be found: http://youtu.be/op2121d0loE.

Why hide something if you really believe it's true?

The other danger of Beth Moore is that she not only teaches women, but she also presumes unbiblical authority over men; teaching and preaching to audiences of both genders. As a matter of fact, she was the only female who took the stage along with John Piper and many others at Louie Giglio's most recent Passion Conference in 2012 (which I also do not recommend).

Beth continues to teach more and more from a human experiential and emotional foundation rather than holy fear and true faith in Christ and His life, His experiences, His Word and His relationship with us.

Sarah Young

In 2004, Sarah Young published the first edition of her book, "Jesus Calling" which litters Christian bookstores everywhere. Young's primary influence for this book came from the "two listeners" (two women) who wrote and published a book with a similar title "God Calling" back in the 1930s.

These "two listeners" while seeking a deeper intimacy with God through other means than just reading the Bible, claim to have experienced direct revelations from the Almighty. Out of obedience to the Lord, they felt they needed to write down these revelations and share it with the world. And this is exactly what Sarah Young claims happened to her.

A quote from Sarah Young during an interview with CBN.

"My journey began with a devotional book (God Calling) written in the 1930's by two women who practiced waiting in God's Presence, writing the messages they received as they "listened." About a year after I started reading this book, I began to wonder if I too could receive messages during my times of communing with God. I had been writing in prayer journals for years, but this was one-way communication: "monologue." I knew that God communicates through the Bible (and I treasure His Word), but I wondered what He might say to me personally on a given day. So I decided to "listen" to God with pen in hand, writing down whatever I sensed He was saying. Of course, I wasn't listening for an audible voice; I was seeking the "still, small voice" of God in my mind/heart."

Unfortunately many solid Christians, including a number of my personal friends have this heretical book in their library and read it faithfully (some, even more faithfully than God's Word) because it really "speaks to my heart", said a dear friend of mine. I was grieved to have to tell her the truth about this book and that the author, Sarah Young claims that the entire book is filled with direct, extra-biblical revelations from God, spoken to her, to be shared with all.

Though Young claims that God's Word alone is infallible, she continued to write and publish a book in which she purports is also infallible by claiming that it too, is divinely inspired by Christ the Lord.

Here is a thorough and biblical review of Sarah Young's "Jesus Calling": Tim Challies Review of 'Jesus Calling'.

Conclusion On All Three Women

The cord that seems to bind a person's heart to the dangerous and heretical teachings of these women, are the stories of tragedy's, trials and the yearning every human being has to be loved, feel significant and sense true purpose in their lives.

All three women give us a sense that we can do something to be holy and to commune more intimately with God—elevating a person's sense of accomplishment rather than humbling us, and bringing us to our knees with utter gratitude and indebtedness for all the Father has given to us in His Son Jesus Christ alone.

Lovingly pray for the repentance of these ladies and warn anyone who follows their heretical teachings...no matter the cost.

80 comments:

  1. Awesome article. Thanks for writing an insightful article! And warning the people. I know a lot of people who read Jesus calling and one thousand gifts. I am learning to be like the Bereans. Test everything I read and hear. Anybody can slap God on something but not everything is sound doctrine. Love your website!

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  2. Expecting this important article to be "ignored" or attacked, considering the popularity of these women. I hope anyone who questions your conclusions will do so with an open Bible and not by some emotional reaction. I remain forever proud and thankful for you, your teaching, and how you refuse to get caught up in popularity traps that seem to dominate women's ministry resources in particular.

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  3. You're most welcome precious sister Rebecca. ♥ I'm so glad you're like the Bereans and test everything with the infallible Word of God rather than with what makes you feel good. I'm encouraged by your faith and singular devotion to Christ. Please share this warning with your friends who are being misled by these women and their false teachings.

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  4. Thank you my darling LB. I love and appreciate you and know that through your prayers and loving support, God provides me the strength I need to press on. And thank YOU my wonderful husband for leading me well, so I don't succumb to false teachings. I wish more husbands did the same for their wives...because then we wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.

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  5. I definitely will! I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I admire that you take God's word very seriously. Amen sister!

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  6. You're most welcome sister. And I appreciate and am encouraged by your love and devotion to Christ. We aren't really loving our friends if we hide the truth from them just so they'll still like us. Glad to hear you are willing to love them with Jesus sacrificial love. ♥

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  7. Awesome Awesome Awesome, I had my first issues with Beth Moore when I saw a book on deliverance by her in a church group that seemed to emphasize un biblical forms of deliverance and not the deliverance we find in Christ (Excorcism, emotional appeal et al) but when I read her "Get out of that pit", I knew she was wrongfully dissecting God's word and decided to give the book back to its owner however because so many of my christian friends have been fascinated by her, I was hesitant to confront it, this article gives great insight and I hope I can address this. Thanks.

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  8. Hello there Drew, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me and my readers. I actually believe the ENTIRE Word of God is relevant to every believer. I hope that helps clarify your concerns regarding that matter.


    On the other points you made, I would like to say that I am sorry for whatever hurt you've experienced within the Body of Christ and I wanted you to know that I am praying for your injury that has caused bitterness to take root in your heart (Eph 4:15, 29-32).


    I pray that the Lord our God will help you through this difficult and painful time in your life. May the Father's love and the peace and grace of Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

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  9. Musoke, I'm glad I could help. ☺

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  10. it's just funny how you spend a'lot of your life even giving Authority to a man like this, in the first place. It's laughable. Wake up and make better choices in the first place. Trust your gut more.

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  11. Completely agree with your critique of Piper. However, I challenge you to re-evaluate the teachings of MacArthur, as well.

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  12. Yes, the whole world IS screwed - unless they have Christ.

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  13. Would you mind being clearer about how John Piper and his ministry is condoning sin and unbiblical practices? As far as modern day teachers of the word go, John Piper sticks closer to it than most. When you say extra-biblical message the thing that resembles that is prophecy which is firmly biblical (1 Corinthians 14:1), Piper would strongly argue that rather than anything prophetic being extra biblical, it must be tested and weighed to see if it matches up with scripture (1Corinthians 14:29, 1 John 4:1) Its also recognised that his friendship with Driscoll, who has been known for shouting and making lots of noise, has not always been received well. Its interesting that since that friendship grew there has been a reserve and maturity come through into Driscolls preaching. One thing i've often wondered about Driscoll, is that people do tear him down for raising his voice, naming clear false teachers, and warning people with backed up evidence, people often aren't rebuked for not going far enough, for not sticking to the whole bible, but just certain bits we like and that wont offend people. It always intrigues me that Paul caused riots when he preached, does our preaching look like that. Its so great that you eagerly desire to stay close to God word as we all should. And that you test and check the teaching you listen to just like the Bereans (Acts 17:11) In the end were all in the same family, certainly where we see clear wrong, that must be brought up, but so that people may be encouraged. We must be able to defend the words we speak with real evidence, otherwise we risk speaking empty words, potentially misunderstanding people and making mistakes. I hope i haven't come across in a negative way that wasn't my intention, when i write to someone or about someone, i try to remember that i am writing to or about our God's son/daughter, that helps me put things in perspective, and remember we are family. Thankyou for your time friend

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  14. Agree with you EJC.


    Sunny Shell - There are several articles about MacArthur at middle town bible church and the dangers of reformed doctrine.


    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/salvatio/lordshjm.htm

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/dangerso.htm

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  15. I have to say I disagree with you… Ann doesn't dim the Cross, she gives thanks for it! I totally respect you, but I think that Beth and Ann are strong women of God. I haven't met them, but they have both impacted my life and brought me closer to God. God uses them!! I can see a little bit where you're coming from with Ann's book, but just because she is thankful doesn't mean that her focus isn't on Jesus Christ. God's holy Word says we are to teach and encourage each other, manly focusing on His words! I know Beth knows what the Bible says about teachers (that they will be judged , not to false teach, and have a huge responsibility) because she shared that in one of her study videos. I completely agree that we need to check EVERYTHING with the Word of God, but God is so obviously the biggest part of these ladies' lives… They are our sisters!!

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  16. Thank you for your comments EJC and Mike. I appreciate you sharing your views. I don't agree with EVERYTHING MacArthur teaches, but then again, I'm sure we can all say that about everyone (save Christ)...or at least we should. No man is perfect in anything he does.


    With that said I want to share two points:


    1) It may surprise you, but I am of the Reformed theological views. My husband who is a wise and godly head for our family has studied and learned much and has faithfully taught me and our sons the same. Gentlemen, I'm sure you'll understand that I follow and trust the leading of the head God gave me. ☺


    2) Though I don't agree with everything MacArthur teaches, I've found less questionable behaviors and teachings from him than from Piper, which is why I can no longer follow Piper's teachings until he repents because truly, I'm not discerning or wise enough to muddle through the myriads of errors from our brother John Piper.

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  17. Hi Colin, thank you for commenting. In reference to your first question, please click the links within this article and as they should help you find clarity regarding your first question.


    I don't take issue with Mark Driscoll's shouting, but I do take issue with his unbiblical practices of "prophetic" pornographic "visions"...there is no such example in Scripture and for the times he's professed to have these visions, there was no Gospel purpose which negates the use of it by God.


    Also, Driscoll has not matured since his alliance with Piper, as a matter of fact, he's gotten worse. As of his most recent pastor's conference (Resurgence) Driscoll not only invited the heretical Roma Downey and her husband Mark Burnett to this conference, but Driscoll also applauded the biblically accurate nature of "The Bible" miniseries which was filled with heresy and blasphemy.


    Test everything with Scripture in the context of Scripture, and NOT in the context of whatever twisted topic or issue we already have in mind. Our lives are to be conformed to Christ and His Word, not His Word conformed into our finite and fallible thinking.

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  18. Thank you for sharing your thoughts disqus_m9VsflfPE1, but I believe this is where we will have to agree to disagree. I've presented all the proof from each of these sisters' writings and speaking engagements and tested it to God's Word and not my own emotions or experience.


    Our personal experiences does not automatically dismiss or support any one person's teaching. The only perfect thing we have on this earth to test from truth with error is God's holy and infallible Word. And all three teachers have and are presently teaching heresies...that is in opposition to the sound doctrine, clearly stated in God's Word.


    I know these ladies are our sisters, and that is why I wrote this article: in the hopes that they would repent and also to warn others from their deceptive teachings.


    The Lord bless you.

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  19. I agree, sometimes agreeing to disagree is the best way :) We've never met, but you seem to be a strong woman of God-- just like Ann and Beth. I just know that these women are instruments in God's plan and they are seeking to follow Him above all. It seems wrong to call them out publicly and say that they aren't following Christ. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God, and it is the Spirit that reveals things to us and changes us. May the Lord bless you greatly, and continue to reveal Himself to us.

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  20. Mark Driscoll usurped power from fellow members and leaders of his church. He does not display the fruits of the spirit but acts arrogant about his position. No christian is obligated to follow someone like this. "By their fruits we shall know them." Plain and simple. Matthew 7:15-20

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  21. Have you actually talked/contacted mark or john in some way? If you have not it is gossiping. Gossip can ruin a Godly man's ministry, like it did to my father's. I know this has come across in a very strong way, I just pray that you will see the wisdom in what I'm saying. Btw you are doing just what you have said I was doing; accusing a fellow brother/sister of sin. You have accused John and Mark both of a sin; leading others astray and blaspheming. How can we know whether not mark or john are apart of the faith or not? Yes, we can look at their fruit, but only God can truly determine where a man's heart is.

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  22. Please show me with undeniable evidence where John or Mark have preached a doctrine wrongly that is essential to our faith. Ie: Jesus is God, there is a trinity with the father son Holy Spirit etc.

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  23. I believe in the trinity. You probably meant to give this message to someone else?

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  24. Alan Penafiel SolidumDecember 26, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Can you cite any stand of JP which is unbiblical, it seems that your attack is dealing much with the people whom JP wants to influence to orthodoxy.

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  25. I rejoice with you Sunny Shell, you took the right decision from the wrong path - following people/men - instead of following Christ.

    Many times in this walk, we hear someone say some nice spiritual things and rightly like you did, we go all out and buy into all that they are, and before you know what is happening, they have deviated and if care is not taken we follow along only to discover that we, like them, have followed the wrong path.

    Yes, I rejoice with you because you have taken time to examine this man in the light of the Truth and the Truth has exposed his covered-up/hidden darkness.

    I pray that the grace of God abound toward you as you follow the Lord through His Truth.

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  26. Yes Jim, but then "No"; You should not trusting your gut, because it can also deceive us (1 John 3:20), our whole trust should be in three witnesses on Earth - The Water (Word), the Spirit and the Blood. These work in sync and are faithful witnesses to us in all things. Amen.

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  27. Hey Sunny, I randomly saw your post, and I have to ask a question, why is it wrong for Driscoll to invite fella sinners to his church, whom like all of us, you and me, are only by the grace of God saved? And because I did watch the Resurgence conference 2013 and heard what Mark and Roma had to say about bringing Jesus back to the movie screens again. I find personally that their motives were pure, and even if it isn't, God will glorify them for trying. (Story of Balaam can be cited for reference)

    Jesus also sat with sinners and the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were accusing them. Jesus healed a sinner on Sabbath and was accused by the Pharisees and the teachers of the law. Didn't Jesus also ask us to pray for even our enemies?

    Maybe from your point of view and your journey with God, you have total reverence for the Lord, to the certain extent of shutting down the gates for sinners or non believers to enter, but I mean, we must be careful to be overly self-righteous. I went through the same thing before. I even judged the pastors of my own church and got very offended, but I realized it was a selfish thing to do.

    God is still Sovereign, and trust me, if you would pray for John Piper, Mark Driscoll and all the other names mentioned, Jesus would be greatly delighted and it would tremendously bless their ministry that needs people to pray for them instead of pinpointing them. That is my perspective.

    Anyway, thank you for the post. I hope you know yourself in the Lord everyday, more and more. :)

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  28. I mostly agree with all you have stated. I too was a dedicated devotee of John's until I saw the same thing you observed. It seems all leaders have their 'weak spot' and this is John's for sure! Most all he writes and says is right on target and I still read his works and listen to his on line sermons, even though I cannot support the downgrade movement he engages in regarding these people. They all (those like John) seem to thrive on an idea that they can rally around the Gospel regardless of what other things go on in one's life! But that is not correct Biblical teachings at all. In fact, Galatians is a entire book condemning any who add to the Gospel and certainly some of the Armenian speakers he endorses are not on target about the pure sovereign grace gospel of the word of God.
    I also have done the same with the Acts 29 movement since most of the leadership and mega-church pastors in the group endorse the same approach. The recent Resurgence Conference showed this up clearly. These guys are no following the traditional Reformed faith movement at all. They have a mixed multitude. There is poison in the pot! Sorry we have to say all of this but it is true! I do pray for them for there are many dedicated servants within the Acts 29 group and certainly John is a dedicated servant of Christ also. We do not hate them, we do not hurl anathema's at them in a evil manner, but honestly before God call out to them to obey the scriptures which teach them to do otherwise. One of the biggest failures of George Whitefield in his day was to allow John Wesley to take over the operations of his work! That resulted in Armenian's flourishing again in the local Churches and the establishment of the Methodist movement (Non-Sovereign Grace). Now Armenian doctrine holds sway in evangelicalism in America! Even Wesley denied other cardinal doctrines required of a servant of Christ regarding the Gospel and its meaning. So we pray and hope but usually they never back down and change I have found throughout my life span of 75 years! Charles Spurgeon spoke of the "downgrade" movement during his day, and we have been living in such here for a long time! Pray for an awakening toward to the word of God and obedience to it by our spiritual leaders! No compromises. I will say Matt Chandler, even though he went to a hostile doctrinally conference last year, (2013), he spoke the truth to them and they didn't appreciate it at all. Boldness is needed in this hour!

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  29. Dear sister,

    I have been listening to John Piper and his speaking and I still enjoy his teaching very, very much. As we all know, there is no perfect teacher. As Paul says, we all know only "in part" and should bring interpretation to each other. Since much of your focus is indeed on Mark Driscoll, I think it would be better if you could discuss about his ministry instead of that of Piper. I think his has more to be examined. Furthermore, I really respect the way Piper deals with Driscoll's ministry. Many, if disagreeing with Driscoll, would simply ignore or condemn Driscoll; but oppositely , Piper spent his time and prayers on addressing Mark Driscoll 's issue by writing a personal letter to him, which sadly, was taken down by Mark Driscoll 's team,

    "Let’s get real specific for a minute, you ask how I’m dealing with this. When I was sent, by John MacArthur, the fated Song of Solomon, Edinburgh sermon that John critiqued two weeks ago online, I listened to it and thought it was horrible. I got on my Internet and wrote a three page single page letter to Mark Driscoll: “.. this is horrible…. and here are my 8 exogenical [i think] reasons … and then a few pastoral reasons ….. ” Within one hour that was off the Resurgents website, and an email had gone to Edinburgh and Glasgow to pull it down. That’s significant. That was a son-like response to this fatherly: “Come on! That’s over the top….don’t… that’s not the way to do it.” said Piper in an interview regarding his response to Driscoll's preaching.

    We all do not have perfect knowledge of Christ and fall everyday, but I really admire Piper's fatherlike and brotherly approach towards Mark Driscoll. I think he needs both teachers like MacArthur and Piper who takes different approach to guide and help him in his way of ministry. Like each of us, God provides us different ways to discipline us as He loves us. I still appreciate Piper's teaching as it is Christ-cenetered, unlike others where the ministry is Christless (such as those you have discussed like Osteen's.)

    Thank you for your writing and I enjoy this blog very much. May be all enjoy the riches of Him and be one body always :-)

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  30. I was thrilled as I read your words. Though I do not know you, I am so proud of what our savior has done in your life. We are in apostasy. As you know, we can trust no man. Thank you for your obedience to Jesus The Messiah. Warnings have almost disappeared. We are in the times of Elijah who truly thought he was the only one left. If not for technology, I believe many faithful believers would think that also. Pray for the remnant that there will be many and steadfast in the Lord. I have a blog where I warn. God bless you. Warren McGrew

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  31. Hi. I can see from this article that you are sincere, but feel that you are being far too harsh - not in your words, which I felt were calm and thought-out, but in your conclusions. I don't think you can say that John Piper and his ministry are falling away from Sola Scriptura simply because he associates with Mark Driscoll, and has invited Rick Warren and Louie Giglio. Mark Driscoll, I believe, while certainly has some problems, is not 'bad company' per se. I think he is a genuine believer who has some issues, and the fact that John Piper is aiding him on his spiritual journey is not something undesirable. Furthermore, I think you are being overly harsh on Louie Giglio; The comparison with the Lectio Divina is a bit of a stretch, to be honest, and while not a source of theology, I find Giglio to be a source of encouragement nonetheless. Perhaps the only true worry you bought to this article is Rick Warren, and to a far lesser degree, that practice which you erroneously compared to the Lectio Divina. To say that John Piper and his ministry are falling away from Sola Scriptura based on that is a ridiculous stretch. The better conclusion, perhaps, is to say that Piper erred in inviting Rick Warren, and erred in associating himself with something that could be said to resemble a heretical practice (the Bible says that ministers are to be above reproach. So to conclude, while John Piper may have made some incorrect decisions, I can't see anything definite that would lead me to red-flag him as an expositor of theology.

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  32. "heretic" is a serious word, sister. Just because I don't agree theologically on certain issues, I would use that word very carefully.

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  33. Wow. Sister, "heretical" is a serious word; I think quite a bit serious than you may understand. I understand what you may disagree with, but I would use that word very, very carefully. "Let us not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait for the Lord who will both bring to the light all that is hidden and disclose the motives of men's hearts."

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  34. dee_2159@hotmail.comJanuary 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM

    Dear disgus_m9VsflfPE1,
    Please be a Acts 17:11 Christian for your sake and for those you may influence. By your own admission you know little about what John MacArthur teaches. He is absolutely correct in speaking out about the outlandish false teaching and teachers primarily in Charismatic churches. TBN is full of them. As to Beth Moore, this critique of her and Sarah Young is spot on. These false teaching are what the Bible call Gnostics. They believe some have secret knowledge. They don't. The Word of God can be understood by all who seek to understand it. Sure, there are difficult passages but most of the Word is plainly spoken. We don't need Binnie Hinn to knock us down, or Joyce Meyer to give us her falsehoods, nor Brother Lawrence, who Beth quotes, to give us lies and esoteric mystical impressions when God speaks through His Word. It is powerful enough on its own. Being spoon fed by others without searching the Scriptures is a dangerous way to grow in Christ. Do your life a great service, be a Berean. I say this in love because I care about truth. Jesus is The Truth. These false teachers are preaching another Jesus in most cases.

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  35. I must admit that my first occasion to hear Pastor Piper was through fb in Rick Henderson's posting of "Why I called out Joel Osteen and Joyce Meyers". It was through that writing I was given the opportunity to watch a Pastor Piper talk about the "Dangers of the Prosperity Gospel" which I watched with great interest. I then Googled his web site and also saw this posting and I am shocked to know this about Pastor Piper. I am not a follower of any teaching that doesn't follow the scriptures. We must keep in the word and check what we hear and assure ourselves that we purge that which is not that of Jesus. I am a follower of Jesus Christ by Faith and no other way.

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  36. Thank you for your post. I am always encouraged when I hear or read of someone who is concerned about what is right. There certainly is a lot of confusion within the "religious world" these days. It should not be a surprise that so many in the world have no desire to search the Scriptures when they witness worldly behavior amongst those who claim to follow Jesus. I wonder what a Christian from the first century would say if he was present today?

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  37. Oops. I did not mean to reply to Lamar Carnes.

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  38. Thank you for your post. There certainly is a lot of religious confusion within the "religious world." I have often wondered what a first century Christian would say if he was able to witness what some were doing with Christ's church.

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  39. Hi, I have recently discovered John Piper's ministry and am grateful to God for leading me to it. I have always exercised discernment in the Lord as the Lord requires concerning any preaching or teaching. I check everything I hear with the Word of God and indeed always have done so in my walk with Jesus. Like you I would 'rather sit down to a meal where there are either no bones or just a few bones, so I can truly enjoy my meal and keep from serious injury.' I just wanted to encourage by sharing that I am finding John Piper's teaching to be such a meal. I live in England and am surrounded by believers who follow, sit under and support what I believe the Lord has shown me to be false teaching and I believe the Lord may have said to me the person preaching is a false teacher. I want to say that I am finding this experience quite challenging as I am in the minority, if not the only one! I believe John Piper's teaching addresses the anathema preached by the person I believe may be a false teacher as John Piper preaches the truth of God's , and I believe it to be the whole counsel of God. I believe the false teaching I speak about is damaging to the church and thus profaning God's name, belittling the work God has done on the Cross of Jesus. The teaching I am listening to by John Piper would I believe, as the truth of God's word, set the person I feel may be a false teacher free as it would those he has deceived. I feel particularly reassured as I had not known of John Piper's teaching before and the Lord is confirming to me what He has shown me through His Word in John Piper's teaching. Again, it is not what the person who I speak about and who is internationally renowned is preaching as a false teacher- (As I believe may be the case).
    I just want to tell you I love The USA and Americans in general and look forward to the Revival which the Lord has revealed to me some time ago will be happening in your land. I pray that the Lord will do this in the UK also.

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  40. This is what happens when you follow men, not God. You are led astray. 1 Co. 1:10-3:23. 5 Pt. Calvinists are false teachers so as Scripture says, "impostors and deceivers will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." Here's how far gone John MacArthur is as well:http://5ptsalt.com/2013/10/16/john-macarthur-take-the-mark-of-the-beast-still-be-saved/

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  41. You're most welcome Charles. And I agree...lots of religious confusion. I think the first century Christians would quote Ecc 1:9 because this was happening in their time as well...thus Paul's letters to Titus, Timothy and others. :o)

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  42. Thank you brother John. May the grace and peace of Christ be with your spirit also.

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  43. Yes...I did this all throughout the article.

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  44. Hi Eve, actually Jesus never sat with "sinner"s that is, those who were NOT repentant, otherwise He wouldn't broken His own Word to not call good evil and evil good and for a righteous man to not walk in the counsel of the wicked, nor stand in the way of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers (Psalm 1:1).


    We are all sinners saved by God's grace and as such we are commanded to be careful NOT to get too close to those who habitually indulge in sinful behavior lest we succumb to them too (Gal 6:1).


    In regards to Roma Downey and Mark Burnett and their heretical and blasphemous movie about Jesus...yes, God can use anything for good, but He NEVER uses heretics or blasphemers for His good kingdom work.


    And the story of Balaam is the not a good reference for the point you were sharing because it's not contextually the same.


    Thank you for writing and sharing your thoughts. I pray the Lord be with your spirit and that you will grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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  45. Hi Hope, I can't recall, but I think I did write to them many years ago when I first started unfollowing them both. But seeing as I'm a nobody and they're both very popular men, I never received a response...and I never expected one, since I am no one of any repute.


    And I'm sorry, I am not doing the same thing I am truthfully sharing about our brother John Piper and Mark Driscoll. I am not departing from orthodoxy nor am I leading others astray to mysticism or other ungodly religious practices.


    Also, I never said they were not of the faith...you'll have to read better Hope. I actually said that I believe that they are true brothers...just that they are in sin (in accordance with God's Word, not mine).


    Please read your Bible and be like the Bereans. That way, when you say something, it'll be in accordance with God's Word rather than be in accordance with your personal affinities and emotions.


    The Lord bless you.

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  46. I think you idolized John Piper and therefore it is a must that you not see him that way. You would not have agreed with Peter or Paul at some time. I agree with others who give you warning to be very careful how you choose your words. You say you have chosen to follow those who clearly and faithfully following the Lord. Be careful you may find a chink in one of those you follow. Since you are doing a Part 2, I wonder about your agenda.

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  47. He sat with Pharisees...those who were NOT repentant...Luke 7 and the sinful woman? He reclined at table with plenty of unrepentant, legalistic teachers.

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  48. This is not said to sound mean or harsh. I just want to be honest about the inconsistencies I see in this article. I mean no disrespect towards you, but I want to weigh through what you've said.

    Those "other" ministries are all friends of Piper and don't have the issues you have with him or DG. If you follow them, you condone their acceptance of Piper. You can't call out Piper and then follow those who support DG.

    It honestly sounds to me like you've "heard" of things Piper has done through the grapevine without knowing the true context or motives of what he's doing. Have you even been to Passion? If not, I'm not sure you're qualified to speak confidently about what actually went on there. I've been and we did spend a few moments in silence...not to empty ourselves but to fill our minds with prayer and our hearts with worship. To find peace from our distractions by banking on God's promises in his words about all that he is for us through Jesus (Phi 4:6-7, 2 Cor 1:20).

    I am a student of a professor who has worked close with Piper for several years and they are far from teaching "mind-emptying" meditation. Piper also has several blogs about "hearing" God's voice which end up being an argument for reading his word rather than waiting for his audible voice. I just can't say I see any real legitimate claims here that warrant you personally discouraging others from listening to Piper. To admit you lack personal discernment to listen to him may sound noble, but in offering publically, you're promoting a discontentment with Piper's ministry. This is pretty unfair of you to offer to others especially if you feel you lack the discernment. Not to mention, God regularly uses Piper's ministry to reach the lost. And here you're putting a road block in the way of someone who may actually benefit from his teachings.

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  49. Spot on! And thank you for standing for truth. It is such an unpopular stance in the midst of my sisters in Christ. Unloving, judgemental, harsh, are some of the things I hear. Even to the point that I think to myself, if they are my sisters then why is it necessary for me to pick apart what they write/say. Then everytime I read with a Berean mind what they are writing I come back to the fact that God wants me to be picky! So I am very thankful for sisters who are likeminded and seeking to be critiqued and critique those things written in the name of our Messiah. I will be praying for your ministry and following from now on! Lord bless you!

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  50. Spiritual formation is actually biblical. But it does depend on the usage of the word. I graduated from Dallas. When any Christian center on CHrist, on His Word, pray and seek God's face and share genuinely; that is biblical. You can easily look at ACTS. Dallas Willard and Richard Foster's book on spiritual disciplines are mostly biblical. I mean that the disciplines were practiced in the Bible. And evenif journaling is not mentioned in the bible; does not mean it is not a good practice. Reflecting on God's Word and writing it down is good way to memorize and help with understanding. Of course, much prayer and dependence on God should be demonstrated. And when we practice spiritual disciplines; we do them relying on Christ. We are to serve God with the strength he provides. I do believe you do need to be careful when making accusations without clear representation. I am not sure what you are mening my mystical prayer. But praying and hearing from God is biblical. And the closer the fellowship; the better the hearing of God's voice. And God will never go against God's Word. Meditating is fine also on the Word of God and not emptying yourself. We do need to be careful. I will tell you John Piper probably has a more accurate understanding of the Bible than most. This does not mean that we should not be bereans; and it does not mean great leaders can faulter. But we can also and may be off on things right now and pat ourselves on the back thinking we are following the bible more than others. I am not judging you; just waring you and me; let's pray hard and ask for discernment and follow God's Word hard. And pray for discernment; specifically on matters of just disagreeing and on matters when to separate and pray for the other. Tough things I know. John Piper's teaching are completely biblical ( for the most part); and I do not know much about Mark Driscoll ( I will need to check out). The mystical prayer thing; can you define it more and give link to video that shows it. Remember if mystical prayer is having background music with meditating on God's Word and singing praises to Jesus then it is biblical. If mystical prayer is emptying yourself that is wrong and I would be very disappointed in John Piper. One more thing; I remember at Dallas one teacher said Blackaby's teaching was from the pit. I was shocked because I like Experiencing God. I disagree with the teacher at Dallas. When need to be careful so we do not turn into Pharisees who memorize Scripture, quote scripture, but believe in no personal fellowship with God. Again discernment is key; because we could be thinking something ourselves and say it was God or even Satan throws something at us and we believe the lie. But very dangerous to say we cannot have real fellowship with Jesus in a persona way because it is mysterious. But the bible is so relational. I will stop. God bless, be bereans with me; pray humble, seek to be pure with me; may Jesus get all the glory!!! Bye my brothers and sisters in Christ

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  51. Spiritual formation is actually biblical. But it does depend on the usage of the word. I graduated from Dallas. When any Christian center on CHrist, on His Word, pray and seek God's face and share genuinely; that is biblical. You can easily look at ACTS. Dallas Willard and Richard Foster's book on spiritual disciplines are mostly biblical. I mean that the disciplines were practiced in the Bible. And evenif journaling is not mentioned in the bible; does not mean it is not a good practice. Reflecting on God's Word and writing it down is good way to memorize and help with understanding. Of course, much prayer and dependence on God should be demonstrated. And when we practice spiritual disciplines; we do them relying on Christ. We are to serve God with the strength he provides. I do believe you do need to be careful when making accusations without clear representation. I am not sure what you are mening my mystical prayer. But praying and hearing from God is biblical. And the closer the fellowship; the better the hearing of God's voice. And God will never go against God's Word. Meditating is fine also on the Word of God and not emptying yourself. We do need to be careful. I will tell you John Piper probably has a more accurate understanding of the Bible than most. This does not mean that we should not be bereans; and it does not mean great leaders can faulter. But we can also and may be off on things right now and pat ourselves on the back thinking we are following the bible more than others. I am not judging you; just waring you and me; let's pray hard and ask for discernment and follow God's Word hard. And pray for discernment; specifically on matters of just disagreeing and on matters when to separate and pray for the other. Tough things I know. John Piper's teaching are completely biblical ( for the most part); and I do not know much about Mark Driscoll ( I will need to check out). The mystical prayer thing; can you define it more and give link to video that shows it. Remember if mystical prayer is having background music with meditating on God's Word and singing praises to Jesus then it is biblical. If mystical prayer is emptying yourself that is wrong and I would be very disappointed in John Piper. One more thing; I remember at Dallas one teacher said Blackaby's teaching was from the pit. I was shocked because I like Experiencing God. I disagree with the teacher at Dallas. When need to be careful so we do not turn into Pharisees who memorize Scripture, quote scripture, but believe in no personal fellowship with God. Again discernment is key; because we could be thinking something ourselves and say it was God or even Satan throws something at us and we believe the lie. But very dangerous to say we cannot have real fellowship with Jesus in a persona way because it is mysterious. But the bible is so relational. I will stop. God bless, be bereans with me; pray humble, seek to be pure with me; may Jesus get all the glory!!! Love my brothers and sisters in Christ

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  52. I'm at a total loss for words regarding your comments on Chan. I think you ought spend a little more time reading the books he's written or the public talks he's given before dismissing him so casually. He's most definitely a brother in The Lord and very committed to scripture.

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  53. I'm not familiar with this catholic outreach guy. What was the nature of Chan's rebuke?

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  54. I never said Chan isn't a Christian, I merely stated that I do not personally recommend him to anyone because his teachings and firm stance on Scripture and especially on the Gospel is often sketchy. Here's a link to a radio interiew with Mike Gendron re: the incident I mention above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_sVyssxqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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  55. Hi Taylor, thanks for writing. I don't share nor found my opinions on hearsay. I actually saw and heard for myself these things on both DG's website and on YouTube.

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  56. Hi White Roses, thank you for writing and for your loving request to pray for JP and his DG ministry...I do and as I shared in this article have asked others to do so as well.

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  57. Yes, and Jesus rebuked them. The only "sinners" he actually socialized/walked with were repentant.

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  58. Thank you for your words of encouragement and especially your prayers sister. I definitely appreciate and need them both. The Lord bless you too. :o)

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  59. It seems from your first few paragraphs that you are a married woman, ( I am inferring that you have a "head" over you ) yet the way you describe the recent events in your life, it seems that you are taking decisions as a person not as a couple... My first reaction was not to read your article just because of that. (maybe that's what you will do about what I say because you see me now as a chauvinistic brute- i hope you weigh me well), It is more obvious that you do not use your husband in these decisions, precisely because you use to be so "in love" with John Piper and now you're not... John Piper is a tool in the hands of God and when he stumbles or falls, there is a purpose to this ( see Romans 14) either way he will stand for the Father is able to keep him ... but you are falling in the arms of others now because this one has disappointed you... guess what: McArthur, and Rc Sproul and their ministries will disappoint you as well when you will put your magnifying glass on them... there is no joy in suckling at the artificial breast of the teachings of another, focus on God alone and His will for your life ( which is primarily submission to your husband first ) make decisions together, and rejoice in what God is doing good in the life of these men that are here just for a while... look below and admire your handy work ... all of these people with comments below feeling justified for trashing John Piper... you will have to answer for this in this life or the next ! ( by the way, If you do not have a husband any longer due tho death not divorce - I apologise - but still I would like to see that you have submitted to an authority such as a pastor or a spiritual leader that is over you - male of female - does not matter ... we all should have one weather we admit it or not )

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  60. Hi Johnny, I think you should've taken your own counsel before commenting. I am married and to the most amazing, wise and godly husband a woman could ever ask for; and he leads me well. If you had read "About Sunny" or any of my other articles to find out a bit more about me besides what you've erroneously ascertained about my entire character, biblical foundations and my marriage, it would've saved you much verbiage.


    I never said I was "in love" with John Piper. I have no idea where you got that. You might want to read the article again. I do however say that I love him as a brother in Christ (as we ought) and pray for him to repent.


    As far as MacArthur, Sproul and others go, again if you read the article correctly, you would've taken notice that I don't think anyone is infallible but God and I exhort my readers to be Bereans.


    Just so you know, I don't argue with people (2 Tim 2:22-24), so if you comment again with presumptuous personal attacks, I will not respond again in order to honor the Lord.

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  61. Glad you brought up Judas! :o) As you know from reading Scripture, Jesus said Judas was chosen as a disciple for a specific purpose that no other human fulfilled...to betray Christ. And in order to betray our Lord and know where He went in secret with His disciples, Jesus had to let him walk with Him.

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  62. That validates my point, not yours. Everyone is chosen for a specific purpose, that's the implication of sovereignty.

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  63. I completely agree with you that God is sovereign. But that fact has nothing to do with your point, which was that Jesus "sat with", that is regularly hung out with and condoned the behavior of unrepentant sinners. He didn't, He rebuked them and called them to repent...just as I am here.

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  64. I never said Chan isn't a Christian, I merely stated that I do not personally recommend him to anyone because his teachings and firm stance on Scripture and especially on the Gospel is often sketchy. Here's a link to a radio interiew with Mike Gendron re: the incident I mention above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo_sVyssxqk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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  65. I saw her video on Revelations, the first one. She came across very emotional and all alone in her understanding...misunderstood the 7 eyes of the Lamb, the rock, which is the Church and the 7 sacraments...and the 4 elders are the 4 evangelists.

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  66. Good for you Julie! Now THAT's being a Berean! We all need to remember 2 Cor 10:4-5.

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  67. Thanks, Sunny...what is Berean??


    Anyway, being part of the Church has its benefits, and our first vocation in this life is to grow in the Holy Trinity in the quest of holiness....virtue hides itself. We have to believe that Christ is most present in the ordinary simple things of every day life, and be faithful in living out His will in our daily duty. When we get new ideas, it is always good to submit them to someone who is in God's authority as when we are alone that is when we are vulnerable to error. But...Beth is a very good person and I don't mean to condemn her either in her good will to seek the Lord.


    But I would also add that nobody has a monopoly on holiness, male or female, priest or religious, pope or layman. It is all about being in God's will, the only way into heaven.

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  68. A Berean is someone who trusts only in the Lord and His Word and tests everything with God's Word. Read Acts 17:10-12. The Lord bless you sister.

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  69. Thank you...yes, we are to put our trust in the Lord only.


    I have heard of the name, Berean, but never was sure what it meant. I ask because I am Catholic. Beth affirms Jesus is Logos, the Living Word, and all of the entire works of Scripture lead to Jesus, and agree with her on that. But it is the overall persona as I described of which I am uneasy with.


    Scripture study can be most complex. And a person can get confused quite easily. So it is most important that we follow sound teaching ....that is shared, not fragmented into individualism.

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  70. BrendtWayneWatersMarch 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM

    If that first paragraph contains no "unnecessary personal attacks", I'd hate to see what qualifies as such.

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  71. Sunny, you wrote:

    "The purpose of this article is not to demonize any of these sisters, but to carefully and lovingly warn and exhort them and other women to be more diligent in studying the Word, seeking wisdom and biblical teaching from their husbands (if they're Christians), submit to their husbands' headships whether or not they are Christians (1 Cor 7:13-16, 2 Peter 3:1-2) and imitate the faith of those who are singularly faithful to God and His Word—with no deviation or imaginations (Heb 13:7, 2 Tim 1:13-14, 2 Cor 10:4-6)."



    I have been reading Ann's blog for about two years and one thing that stands out, is that her husband is a godly man and student of the Word, Ann's spiritual leader, and spiritual giant, and the reason (other than the Lord) why she can write and speak to multitudes. This humble woman took a dare to list 1000 gifts/gratitudes and it changed her life and didn't keep it to herself, but followed the Spirit's lead to write a book. This practice of counting gifts has changed the lives of many, including mine. Why? Because it gets our eyes off of ourselves and instead on the Giver. That little book has brought countless women and men to Christ. And it has been a wonderful tool in helping to spread the Good News, friend to friend.

    One thing that marks Ann's ministry is that she is a student of the Word. She points everyone to Christ, making Him First and foremost. Ann encourages all of us to put aside our own selfish desires to be wholly and holy for HIM, and to go out into the world and generously serve, to be the hands of a feet of Christ to the hurting and the needy.

    I understand Ann may not have met the biblical standards that you have applied to her ministry. And I am certain that I also would be unable to meet those standards as well. Yet, my heart is pure, and I will continue to be faithful to share with my readers what God is teaching me and I am learning in my walk each week. All that being said, God's economy is different than ours. He uses "Peters." And for that I am grateful.

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  72. I enjoyed your article. I have noticed that famous woman bible teachers always "preach" from the Old Testament. My friend once said it is because those women want the signs and wonders of the Old Testament. I say it is because it is easier to twist God's word. I like to the point writing. I will visit your website often.

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  73. Sunny...Thank you for this Biblical and unvarnished examination of the teachings of these three women. I first encountered Mrs. Voskamp in 2007 and observed the addiction that so many women have for what I refer to as "emotional crack". Comments by followers of all three repeatedly bear this out. The judgment of the various teachings are based solely upon the degree to which the reader's emotional/felt needs are met.


    I fully support you in your efforts to remind all Christians that we hold to a singular standard...Scripture alone.

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  74. Maybe you should listen to the Strange Fire conference and see what he means. You can't seriously think charlatans like Benny Hinn are ok...

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  75. SO glad more women are speaking out about these false female teachers. Just give me the old solid men any day. I'm sick of segregated "Women's" teaching anyway, that was never how it was in the Bible. The Bible is for everyone regardless of who they are.

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  76. You know, I (disqus_m9VsflfPE1-- I made an account since then) never meant to start an argument. Even though I do not know any of you, I love you in the Lord- you are my brothers & sisters, after all!! Blessings to all of you in Jesus' name… May we all grow deeper in our faith & receive a deeper revelation from God about His Truth! Open our eyes, Lord! My desire is not (and was not) to start an argument, but to dig into God's Word & see how we are called to live. Grace to you, grace that changes all of us and sanctifies us more & more until the Messiah comes again! HalleluYah!

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